Gods of Egypt is the most racist film ever.

“Oh, I knows. I knows. I’m just a worn-out ol’ man what don’t do nothin’ but tell stories. But they ain’t never done no harm to nobody. And if they don’t do no good, how come they last so long? This here’s the only home I knows. I was going to whitewash the walls, too, but not now. Time done run out.”

– Uncle Remus, Song of the South (1946)

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When Stargate came out my boys and I went to see it on opening day at the Eastland Cinema 8. Our black consciousness was at peak levels and the trailer for Stargate looked like a black nationalist’s wet dream: pyramids, Egyptian gods, ancient technology, confused white folks…it looked to be awesome. Back then, the world wasn’t able to spoil everything months before it came out, or warn us that Stargate was going to be on some Chariots of the Gods shit. Looking back at the trailer now, I guess the signs were there, but back then anything remotely Egyptian outside of all the books we were reading was pretty rare. We took media representations of our history where we could get them because it was us, somewhere back in time, maybe, before slavery and colonization and feeling guilty for not celebrating Kwanzaa, being reflected on the national stage as valuable doing awesome things. We were thirsty, but it was a thirsty time. Back then being afrocentric was a daily struggle within an already difficult struggle. You used to lose whole branches of your family tree over not celebrating the annual Roots replay back then.

The point is that Egypt is serious business to black folks, always has been. And the more politically and culturally conscious your black person, the more serious that business is. All the cool stuff your black friends are going to be jumping up and down about in next year’s Black Panther movie is basically how black folks see Egypt, except Egypt was real, everybody knows it was real, and half of us are sure one of our cousins was a pharaoh. What do you think all those Earth Wind & Fire album covers were suggesting? Egypt was ours and it was black, and everything Egypt accomplished was our accomplishment.

When you’re oppressed for a few hundred years, you hold on to what you can.

*** SHOUT OUT to all my hoteps. This one is for you, and all of the classes I missed so I could hang out in the Columbus State Community College cafeteria proselytizing my classmates into peak blackness. (Query: Are they actually your classmates if you never go to class? My transcripts would suggest otherwise.) ***

If you came to this article genuinely seeking an answer to the question, “Should I go see Gods of Egypt?” my first inclination is to ask, “In aid of which desire? Entertainment? Knowledge? Cultural inflammation? To get your drinking game on?” But with this film I find I am able to resist my natural urge to unpack every question to at least three decimal places and spit out the answer pretty quick: fuck no. Any way you want to justify seeing this movie is pretty much a wash, and some reasons outwash the others. Mostly the whitewashed reasons.

For the record, I’m going to spoil the shit out of this movie because a) you have no business seeing it even for free, and b) fuck this movie. Somewhere in here I’ve tucked in some critical bon mots for the cinema heads who are somehow (and alarmingly) able to extricate their politics out of their entertainment so completely that this is just another dumb action film to them. Happy Easter. Enjoy the eggs.

*** SHOUT OUT to spoiler alerts, except the one you could already gather from the trailer, which is that this movie, politics aside, sucks. It’s pretty, but the dialogue is atrocious, the CGI has a micropenis from all of the steroids it’s on, and the acting is the sort of hate fuck that you can tell involved the director saying things like “Okay, so for this take, let’s try it like this” and every actor – all of them, even the extras – were like, “Fuck you. I’m doing this” and they kept all that footage in the film. ***

In a recent staff meeting I attended there was discussion about a new rule we had in place, and how a certain scenario might play out when set alongside its intent, and that maybe there was “gray area” in the rule. In my experience “gray area” is an overused notion, and I suggested that we differentiate between a gray area and an exception, positing that the rule in question was clear and working as intended, and that what we were actually talking about was whether or not to make an exception to a perfectly clear rule, not a flawed rule. Things proceeded quickly and productively from there.

Would that Hollywood’s century-long infatuation with Egypt worked in such a fashion.

Gods of Egypt is the most racist film in the last one hundred years. It is the most diabolically conceived, politically incorrect, and unapologetically racist film since The Birth of a Nation (the 1915 white one, not the 2016 black one, and how cool is it that we have to clarify that now?). It is more racist than Song of the South and Soul Man, which is no small feat. It is more racist than Mississippi Burning, The Revenant, The Help and Dragonball Evolution. It is more racist than the eye-rolling Bringing Down the House and The Last Samurai. It manages to somehow be more racist than Blended and Dances With Wolves. It is more racist than Dangerous Minds and its didn’t-bring-shit-to-the-party cousin, Freedom Writers. It is magically more racist than The Green Mile. It has unseated my standing favorite, The Lone Ranger, for most racist movie, and I thought Johnny Depp’s Tonto was going to get us to at least 2020.

You see, there is no gray area about whether or not whitewashing is racist. It’s always been racist. The question now (and since the middle of last century) is, why does Hollywood keep doing it?

Here’s how Gods of Egypt beat the high score:

When you do something wrong and you don’t know any better, that’s a crime of ignorance. You don’t know or understand the ramifications of what you’re doing, or you’re too stupid to see how what you’re doing is wrong. Matchbox Twenty singer Rob Thomas joking that he drinks until he becomes a “black Australian” is a racist act borne out of his ignorance. He says he didn’t know about the history and politics of the association, fine, you’re ignorant (and racist). The KKK, on the other hand, is willfully ignorant. It is not a group of blissfully unknowing individuals. There is nothing accidental about their racism. They know that the things they do are uninformed and illegal and wrong. They just don’t care.

This is the way in which Gods of Egypt is racist: the filmmakers know that the film is wrong. Not historically inaccurate…flat-out wrong. They knew that people would gather and point out that it was wrong. They did not care that it was wrong. They made the film the way they wanted to make anyway.

Basically, it’s a racist snowball. The whole whitewashing thing started as a snowflake (well, a flurry), but as you keep whitewashing things – and people get more and more hip to the whitewashing – and you KNOW they’re getting hip to the whitewashing – and you do it anyway – then you’ve turned a snowflake into a racism avalanche by default. You automatically start out at a higher level of racism when you pick certain crimes to commit because at this point in the game you know better. When you whitewash a film, that’s willful. That makes what you did a stronger, more powerful, nigh-bionic racist act.

*** SHOUT OUT to all the things I’ve written before today that included the word “hours” which I frequently mistyped as “horus”. Today is the day my spell checker kneels before Zod, all the better to shove its squiggly red underline up its checkmarked ass. ***

What the movie is about:
Who cares? Do you suspect any of the good characters die? Do you think all of the bad guys lose? Does the hero find love? Do you still have these questions after seeing the trailer? Did you see Clash of the Titans? Then you almost literally already saw this film.

Let’s be honest: you don’t care what it’s about. Even people who saw the trailer and thought, “Wow, that looks like something I would like to go see” don’t care what it’s about. You don’t care about that. You care about what it did wrong. So let’s break it down a little:

The biggest complaint is that, given that the lead characters are not only Egyptian-based, but Egyptian gods – you know, beings worthy of worship and emulation who created the world and the people on it – they’re played almost exclusively by white actors. So already we have colonization issues. It’s one thing to have your pharaohs and queens played by white people; it’s another to take the next step to extend that whitewash to portrayals of the gods of a civilization populated for thousands of years by people of color. Even in a drunken rage-haze Mel Gibson had the wherewithal to cast his Mayan epic Apocalypto with Indigenous Mexicans and Native Americans, and this is the guy Hollywood is blackballing.

Compounding matters, the actors don’t play at being remotely Egyptian. Like, at all. The Scottish god speaks in a clear-enough Scottish brogue. The Danish god, Jaime Lannister, speaks with a clear European accent, and so on. None of these people even bothered to tan. The women are largely damsel set pieces, save for Elodie Yung (Hathor), who rises to merely predictable damsel with super pheromone powers status, but since she hardly uses these gifts she’s relegated to fallback damsel.

Now, that’s enough to deserve all of the ass-whuppins this movie has been getting up to now. But then things got worse.

Before I saw this movie, I thought the crime (beyond spending $140 million to deliver a flaccid remake of Immortals) was going to be that there were pretty much no people of color in this film except for Chadwick Boseman, who doesn’t have anything to do until halfway through the film and then, after two more scenes, has his brain ripped out by Buff Craig Ferguson. But the problem isn’t that there aren’t any people of color in Gods of Egypt. The movie is littered with people of color. Every time there was a crowd shot it looked like the Zion dance party from The Matrix Reloaded. If you just saw crowd shots from this film you’d think you were looking at a movie about, you know, Egypt. The people ranged in every hue, from Zoe Kravitz mocha to Luke Cage dark chocolate, bearing out Egypt’s undeniable place as a cultural and economic light of the world, engaging many nations on many levels. I lost count of how many people of color are in this film, but it didn’t matter because they were all mutes: mute slaves, mute palace guards, mute marketplace vendors, mute people in the crowd…no agency whatsoever. This is so much worse than a film filled with white Egyptians because what you end up with is scene after scene of white people literally towering (the gods are all digitally portrayed as being over nine feet tall) over masses of brown and black people, worshipped as divine and omnipotent beings. It was like seeing a bar chart of power dispersion on a slave plantation. All the whites loom and soar and speak, while all of the non-white people bend and work and worship at their feet.

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And then there is Chadwick Boseman portraying the god Thoth, the solitary black speaking role, begging the question, “What the hell is he doing in this film?” I get why they hired him – the filmmakers tried to be cute and hire one black person so they could say they were being diverse if anybody got mad. Just the same, his role is neutered not only in screen time, but portrayal, since, for whatever reason, he speaks in some weird and clipped English accent the whole time. Any of the other gods on deck should have leaned over and said, “Hey mate, just do that James Brown thing. We’re not faking it either, and really? You sound ridiculous. My cousin is English. You sir, are not my cousin. Good day, sir. I said GOOD DAY.” But no, even the lone black god – the god of all knowledge and wisdom! – has to affect an English accent to fit into a film about Egyptian gods in which every other actor is speaking however they speak when they roll out of bed.

Chadwick Boseman commented on the whitewashing of the film months ago, admitting that he knew they were going to have problems with their whitewashing of Egypt when he got the script, that people warned him they were going to catch heat for the whitewashing, that he agreed with the sentiment of critics of the whitewashing, and that he thought there should at least be one person of African descent playing an African god. So basically, he wants us to believe he took one for the team, to which I want to give him Will Smith Concussion face and yell “Tell de troof!” over and over until he cries with me. Boseman should have stayed as far away from this film as possible. He was hired as a token black person in a film that should have been about black people. There’s a scene near the end of The Greatest Story Ever Told, where Jesus is carrying His cross through town to *spoiler alert* die, when Simon – Sidney Poitier – steps out of the crowd to help him carry his loathsome burden. Before Sidney starts perp walking with Him there’s a moment where Jesus looks up at him and Sidney looks back down at Him, then gives Him a Kid Fury cock of the head, as if to say, “You know this movie is fucked up, right? Everybody out here should look more like me than you.”

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Chadwick Boseman should have had that look on his face the entire time. His token sacrifice wasn’t going to save this film from a whitewash charge because, by the very nature of tokenism, one person doesn’t make your enterprise diverse. By that math, the Santa Maria was diverse. All decisions like this do is make you look bad. Chadwick Boseman should have to wear his Black Panther costume to the Oscars this year as penance.

ALERT: Black Hollywood? This is an official dispatch from the front lines of people who don’t get to make movies seen by millions of other people around the world for all time: Don’t sign up for the whitewashed Egypt movie. Your singular presence will not make a difference. Let them die on that hill by themselves, because we are taking the fucking hill.

*** SHOUT OUT to Jesus, who has been whitewashed going on 2000+ years. You the real MVP, Brown Jesus. At least with whitewashed biblical cinema (and life) we pretend at universalism as a virtue of the subject matter. The message that Jesus is for everyone in an attempt to indoctrinate as many people as possible is more important than how they receive His message, so people are more inclined to take the hit on a white Noah or a white Moses. This is why Exodus: Gods and Kings (which also bombed) wasn’t automatically crowned the most racist film ever: when it comes to religion, we still pretend that the message is more important than the messenger. ***

Director Alex Proyas thinks he’s slick.

When people started blasting the casting of this movie, he didn’t care about what anybody thought. When he started rolling cameras in early 2014 he didn’t care what anybody thought. He didn’t care as filming progressed. He didn’t care that public opinion stayed low (because wait until you see these effects, kids!). Only once his team finally dropped a series of movie posters in November 2015 did he realize this problem wasn’t going to be fixed by throwing money at it. He cared as much about the diversity of his film as every other director in his big budget shoes does, which is to say he didn’t care at all. The signs were all there but he had a movie to make, he had a huge budget, the target audience for big budget movies is white followed by the country of China, and he had a studio looking to create a Clash of the Titans franchise to fill the hole that Hunger Games left in their slate. Then, after weeks of being the butt of an inordinate amount of memes and called every kind of racist in the book, all of the sudden the film isn’t just fantasy (like we were ever arguing that point), but it became not ancient Egypt at all. Proyas told Forbes (Dec 2015):

“It is inspired by Egyptian mythology, but it makes no attempt at historical accuracy because that would be pointless — none of the events in the movie ever really happened. It is about as reality-based as Star Wars — which is not real at all …Maybe one day if I get to make further chapters I will reveal the context of the when and where of the story. But one thing is for sure — it is not set in Ancient Egypt at all.”

Dude.

My man.

BRUH.

Come on, son.

You really tried to run that route, homie? You really tried to use a rubber/glue defense? You really tried to Stargate your way out of this shithole? Who told you to say that out loud to a reporter, my dude? Shoot your publicist, son. You really tried to M. Night Shyamalan your way out of two and a half years of development by suggesting there is no spoon? Like WAYYYYYY after the fact? Bruh, I’m about to transform into a nine-foot tall golden pair of Timberlands and stomp the shit out of you for that. You have officially taken me to what Uncle Remus affectionately refers to as “my Laughin’ Place.” Even the studio didn’t go that far in their apology. Proyas could try this shit so long as no one had seen it. But I’ve seen it, and I’m telling you that he’s not going to fool anyone with this logical feint. He set out to make a movie on par with the other epic cinematic mythological offerings – Clash of the Titans, Thor, Hercules, Immortals, Jason and the Argonauts, Excalibur – and he did it in earnest. This is not a bad thing. Egypt has an amazing mythology; a run of ideas, concepts and images that influenced the science, commerce and religion of countless nations after it. FOREVER. It deserves to be told in spectacular summer movie fashion. But to turn around and obfuscate what it is after the fact is corny. You got busted. You apologized. You didn’t say anything in your apology about the gods not really being Egyptian gods or Egypt not conceptually being Egypt. The “spaceship” in the movie isn’t a spaceship; it’s an artistic rendering of the mythology of Ra’s chariot as it’s been understood for thousands of years. That’s why the “spaceship” is dragging the sun on a chain across a flat Earth. It’s called cosmology. The Egyptians were the shit at it, and this movie takes its best parts directly from it. He tried to turn it into a whitesplaining escape pod.

So don’t run now, ‘cause if I have to chase you, it’s just going to make things worse.

*** Shout out to Neil deGrasse Tyson, who needs to hit up his nephew with the Casio keyboard for another diss track because, keeping in line with some early Egyptian beliefs, Gods of Egypt features a flat Earth. This movie has a flat Earth. My dude, the Earth? It be flat in this piece. Ra is flying his spaceship – I mean, chariot – across the edge of a flat earth. B.o.B. is going to watch this film (because only someone who smokes copious amounts of weed should) and think it’s a documentary. ***

If you sat a child down today and played them every movie that prominently featured Egypt as a backdrop or as a subject from the last century – from Cleopatra in 1912 to The Mummy in 1999 to Exodus: Gods and Kings in 2014 – they would walk away wondering why anybody thought casting Chadwick Boseman was a good idea. I mean, sayeth theoretical child now damaged for life, clearly Egyptians are white.

I used to love The Egyptian. Made in 1954 and viewed by me around 1990, it was the most realistic depiction of Egyptians I had seen in a movie. I was mesmerized by Akhenaten’s story (more or less) brought to epic life. The only reason I couldn’t praise it to the hills was because it was blindingly white. Here was a film that had enough of the history right to be an on-ramp for someone into Egyptology and how Europe borrowed cultural aspects from Egypt to generate Christianity, only for its optics to render it useless. You can hardly blame the film: it was made in 1954, nine years before Elizabeth Taylor would steal the white Egyptian crown with Cleopatra for pretty much ever. Jim Crow was still on the books ten years after The Egyptian came out. Song of the South had been released a mere eight years before The Egyptian dropped. So you kind of get why they might not have seen diversity in film as a priority.

In the last twenty years The Mummy (1999) also betrayed us, but since it had enough non-white terrorist-looking background players and the antagonist was conceived primarily through dusty CGI, we kind of overlooked the fact that Imhotep was being played by the not-Liam Neeson Darkman (who, as it turns out, gets cast as Middle Eastern a lot compared to other white actors. And way more than actual Middle Eastern actors).

Michael Jackson famously put together his own Egyptian mini-film during the zenith of the Hotep Era featuring a cast entirely comprised of people of color. Michael Jackson was the whitest person on that set. Mind you, this wasn’t a student film project; this was a nine-minute major music video release by the world’s most famous person. He constructed the most culturally relevant representation of Egypt by a major American studio, and we have seen fit to reward his efforts by making his first major biographical reference in a film by casting white-ass Joseph Fiennes to play him for laughs (which makes his back-patting comments about the casting of a non-white Jesus in his film Risen interesting but still self-serving bullshit.)

Gods of Egypt might not get to hold on to the throne for very long, ’swhatimean.

Let’s be clear: these are not oversights. These are calculated risks. Somewhere in L.A. is a chart that has your pain and offense plotted against how much money they can afford to lose and still maintain the status quo. Their apologies after the fact are all spin. They’re never sorry that they offended people. They’re sorry that they’re going to lose a lot of money because they didn’t realize that people cared that much about diversity.

The movie opens tomorrow and all predictions are that it will tank, possibly earning $15 million on opening weekend. When your movie cost $140 million and has tens of millions of advertising on top of it, that’s a sign that you should probably cancel Christmas. Mind you, this was supposed to be Lionsgate’s popcorn movie, its new Hunger Games, a franchise kicker that, if it paid for itself, might jump start some merchandise and a sequel or two. Now? It’s looking like John Carter. Why? Because the largest audience for movies in the U.S. is white people and the next largest demographic Hollywood cares about is Chinese moviegoers. Directors and producers are constantly spinning the line that they can’t make the kind of money they want – not need, want – if they don’t adjust the art to meet the largest group of interests. They’ve chosen to interpret that equation using the lowest common denominator. It’s why half the movies are retreads featuring white people and the other half are just markedly white. Even when a movie featuring a black person exists they have to insert a white character so it will “sell.” They’re saying this in 2016 like Star Wars: The Force Awakens didn’t just become the number one bestselling movie of all time selling a black man as the hero (turns out it was a woman, but you wouldn’t know that from the advertising or the merchandise they had to refit to include her). They say this like hip hop hasn’t been exported around the world a million times over for the last 30 years in every conceivable cultural sector. Catering to racism cost Gods of Egypt about 100 million dollars here. Have we learned nothing from The Lone Ranger? That was just two years ago. You’d think they’d get the message by now. Creating against the grain of the way they’ve always done movies has caught up to the zeitgeist. People are willing to spend good money on “counter cultural product.” But Hollywood is massive and slow to learn. It’s like turning an ocean liner with a paddle, even when the tide is with you.

Here is something no one wants to hear: this is going to keep happening. Not like “Oh, oops, missed one.” I mean the entire culture of Hollywood will keep churning this type of thing out all year, every year. There will always be a movie studio crunching the numbers I’m crunching – and about a hundred others – in an attempt to mechanize profitability. There will always be a producer who decides the bad press will be worth the risk and that catering to racism is a more worthy bottom line than trying to make a decent film. Note that “decent” here refers not to the quality of the film so much as whatever art is present in the product attempting to engage an audience at a level above “fuck you.”

Hollywood is an enormous machine. Even as it tanks it’s bloated with cash. Hollywood broke is like 50 Cent broke: they might need to cut back on the multiple summer homes, but ain’t nobody giving up center court Knicks tickets yet. Gods of Egypt is still a mistake they can afford to make over and over for the foreseeable future. They still want to believe that The Lone Ranger and Gods of Egypt are exceptions. They don’t really care about the gray area yet. They don’t care that their rule is completely broken because the right person hasn’t lost enough yet. Or enough of the right people haven’t taken the big stands it would take to make a difference. I don’t think whitewashing is ever going to stop happening. It may evolve and move on to some other aspect of non-white life, but it’s not in enough people’s interest to change.

I’m hoping people put their foot down on the whitewashing of Egypt, personally and culturally. It makes us look bad as a species to keep doing this to Egypt. It makes us ridiculous and stupid. It makes us anti-intellectual. Every time you do it you’re saying “fuck you” to Egypt, to Africa, to the black people you stole from Africa, to the Egyptians struggling to rebuild and fix their country every day, to history, and to the rest of the world sitting at the table of nations with you. The only gods being worshipped here are money and greed, and, spoiler alert: that’s going to give you shitty art every time.

 

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“Well, sir, you ain’t never seen nobody that had humble-come-tumbledness down as fine as what Brer Rabbit had it then. Poor little critter, he learned a powerful lesson. But he learned it too late. But it just goes to show what comes of mixin’ up with somethin’ you got no business with in the first place. And don’t you never forget it.”

– Uncle Remus

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127 thoughts on “Gods of Egypt is the most racist film ever.

  1. This would be an entertaining scathing of racial appropriation and racism except the Hotel nonsense and all the black claim to Egypt is itself appropriation. We Egyptians are not, and never have been, subsaharan African. And skin color has the least to do with it. The Nile Delta and North Africa developed culturally, linguistically, religiously completely independent of the rest of Africa. Egypt is an Arab Muslim country in Africa. Not an African Arabic-speaking country like Sudan or to a lesser extent Djibouti or Chad. As an Egyptian-American I’ve spent my entire life being told by my black friends that we share the same culture, but we don’t eat or speak or dress or pray or look or play alike. Egyptian culture does not equal black culture. That doesn’t make one better than the other, but if you want a truly African culture to be proud of look up Abyssinia. Muslims Arabs in America, including Egyptians, are under attack by Whiteness already. Stop contributing to the marginalization and denial of another group.

    1. Let’s be clear…. Egyptians ‘NOW’ being the main focus is a Arab Muslim country in Africa. Look how close it is to that of other Muslim countries…. However doing research and simply doing autopsies on Egyptians in the past going far past 2,000 years when the civilization was being taking over. It is clear that they where black. How about you take a look at this link and try to tell yourself why physical evidence is not better then the stories your family tell you. It seem everyone want to have their hand in the old Egyptian culture. Everyone want to be included. That’s nice and all, but look at the “PHYSICAL EVIDENCE” and then come back with you conclusion. Because to me, you are no different then White people in America talking about how this country has always been a “Christian country” and how its always been a race of white people. When in fact Native have been here a lot longer and there was no such thing a Christianity for America 2,000 years ago.

      atlantablackstar.com/2013/10/25/10-arguments-that-proves-ancient-egyptians-were-black/

      1. I’m sorry but you’ll have to do better than the Atlanta black star. Ancient Egyptians, like modern Egyptians, myself included as an actual Egyptian man with an Egyptian family that traces it’s roots to pre-Arabic Egypt, came in very many shades of brown but we’re certainly distinct from sub-saharan Africa. This is not a disputed fact. This is simple reality. Egypt is a geographic crossroads and as such there has been intermingling between Egyptian, European, and West Asian people there for literal thousands of years. Imagery on tombs, the physiologies of mummies, the fact that the peoples of Egypt still exist, the linguistic characteristics of the Coptic language, all establish that Egyptian culture and language and society and – yes, if you want to focus on it – physiological racial characteristics are distinct from sub-saharan Africa. The fact that black America focuses on ancient Egypt as some sort of hearkening back to a glorious past is simply incorrect, like the ‘Christian America’ fallacy and it’s assessment of Jesus as a white blond with blue eyes. This doesn’t mean ancient Egypt or modern Egyptians are somehow better than their neighbors to the south. We are just as marginalized and fraught and diminished a people as any other. But it’s offensive to consistently hear people on one side portray my heritage as flying golden white guys and the other side portray us as black. We’re neither, or both.

      2. To be fair, there wasn’t such a thing as Christianity ANYWHERE 2,000 years ago. Jesus, if he existed, was still walking around 2,000 years ago.

        The rest of your point is well taken.

      3. Muah!! You sir have made my life worth living. I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that you are the greatest human that ever lived!

      4. PLEASE DON’T LISTEN TO MODERN NORTH AFRICANS. THEY DON’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT EHRI HERITAGE. MODERN EGYPTIANS ARE INVADERS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANCIENT EGYPT!!!!!! IF YOU WANT A CULTURE TO BE PROUD OF LOOK UP MESOPOTAMIA, BABYLON, AND ANCIENT PERSIA. EGYPTIANS WERE EAST AFRICA LIKE MODERN DAY SOMALIS, ETHIOPIANS, AND SUDANESE, THEY WERE ALL BLACK AFRICANS!!!!!! THERE WAS NO SAHARA DESERT 6000 YEARS AGO, NO BARRIER!!!! CLEARLY THE GREAT SPHINX OF GEZA, AND THE BUST OF AKHENATON ARE BLACK AFRICANS!!!! ALL THE MUMMIES HAVE BRAIDED AFRICAN HAIR, NOT STRAIGHT HAIR. NO ONE WANTS TO ADMIT THE EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK, BECAUSE IT UPSETS THIER WORLD VIEW, BUT IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!

    2. Egyptians were black and brown, it is just European and Arabic colonialism that make modern Egyptians think they were somehow not related to sub-Saharan Africans as they now have a lighter complexion to ancient Egyptians due to European settlers in North Africa. They have done DNA tests on ancient Egyptians mummies found they have the genes of Black Sub-Saharan Sudanese, Somali, Eritrean and Arabic peoples mixed. If you go to these regions Sudanese, Somalis and Eritreans are definitely black African regions. You ignorant and in the Egyptian river because modern Egyptians have been brainwashed culturally by Arabic and European colonial masters to distances themselves from black Africans. Even in Ancient Egyptians painting they painted themselves as black and brown people. Genetic scientist doesn’t lie ancient Egyptians were closer to black than Arabic genetically.

    3. Those “shiney and gold laden jet black images of the first “people” of Earth displayed on the “Hieroglyphic walls for time immortal, kinda makes your whole line of “thoughtless reasoning” deathly inaccurate and wanting for factual truth!

    4. Well, this post never tried to argue Egyptians were sub-Saharan, they argued that Ancient Egyptians were Black and there are still plenty of dark skin people of North Africa. Yes, historically there’s been parts of the population that are lighter but we know this is from on top of being North African, being closer culturally with other peoples from the Mediterranean than other Africans (mainly due to the Sahara being hard terrain to cross). But this doesn’t mean we can;t be dark skinned Africans. Look at Upper Egypt, Nubian Egyptians or even just Arab Egyptians. My uncle is dark skin, and we’re from Suez. Egyptians, regardless of skin tone have remained the native people of Egypt for thousands of years. Yes, there was lots of intermarriage with Arabs but skin tone in Egypt is never an indication of how Egyptian someone is. Sudan and Egypt are both African Arab speaking countries. Egyptians wont ever try to deny they aren’t African, and nobody would even try arguing that when we’re playing in the Cup of Nations. Egyptian culture is truly African, yes we’re part of and practically lead the idea of Arab identity, but we have our own Egyptian culture and it’s futile trying to say that it isn’t African. Look at a map. We must have one of Africa’s many cultures. I don’t think its a bad thing that Africans want to claim Africa as African. People from all over Africa come to visit the pyramids and they’re proud of what they see. Nothing is wrong with that. Even though they may not be the literal descendants of them like we are, many Ancient Egyptians like many Modern Egyptians can be considered Black even though the racial consensus doesn’t appear like that in either society. If African Americans want to claim Egypt let them. Slavers and segregationists have seriously tried to argue the Egyptians were actually white. I think sometimes this claim is made by people throwing actual Egyptians under the bus and I don’t think he ever tried to do that, but he could’ve made more of a point of including modern Egyptians in Hollywood’s Egypt alongside African Americans.

    5. AZ, the problem is that you’re just scientifically wrong on ALL POINTS. They DNA-tested the Amarna family (amongst others) and guess what, those who clustered closest with the Rmt (that’s Remetch, as they referred to themselves as) were people who are considered to be native to Southern Africa today. The current day population of Egypt does not reflect the population of Ancient Egypt at all. Then we also have Cheick Anta Diop, a Senegalese scientiest, anthropologist & historian who invented the melanin dosage test, which tested the amount of melanin in a persons skin. The results showed that the “Pharaohs” (Nesut) were African (African & Black are one and the same) . That melanin dosage test is STILL used today, when you want to identify the ethnicity of charred bodies etc. Also, the Rmt themselves stated that their ancestors came from the SOUTH, and you would know that if you knew how to read Medu nTr. Your argument has no leg to stand on whatsoever boy.

      http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

      http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

      The ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians is well known by know, stop making yourself look like a fool.

    6. Stop speaking for us Abysinnians (Ethiopians and Eritreans). We get to have a say as to who can claim our culture and call it their own (the consensus seems to be that you have to actually be from Ethiopia or Eritrea). However I agree with you that African americans should be proud of their west african roots and not north African OR horn of African culture. And there is no ‘African culture’ or ‘black culture’. Black people in different nations have different cultures and different countries in Africa have different cultures. You’re just lumping all black people into one bucket for the sake of your argument.

    7. I agree. Unfortunately most Americans are only aware of few “races” …. White, Asian, African, and Mexican. (You should be offended) Its sad really. Our cultural insensitive ignorance is universally embraced across classes. Take Santa Claus for example he’s black or white…. Never hispanic or asian or italian or Brazilian… And so on. Egyptians look like Egyptians. Ancient Egypt was a melting pot like America. The people were not pale. Their were different ethnicities in power over the few thousand years that the ancient pharoahs ruled. But they ALL most certainly had a tan, brown, or black complexion. Let’s be honest race has blurred lines literally. What’s truly offense is the blatant disregard to the culture of Egyptians which has been raped by European cultures for centurie. This is not the first time the Egyptian gods have been stolen. Side note all Greek architecture and gods were barrowed from Egypt. Art history 101

      1. As a student of Classical architecture it behooves me to point out that, uh, no, Greek architecture did not take anything from Egyptian architecture, as can be easily demonstrated by looking at Egyptian buildings and then at Greek buildings and saying to yourself “Wow, those look nothing alike and clearly come from very different architectural traditions.” Greek architecture is very clearly indebted to Minoan architecture, and if you want to claim that the Minoans borrowed from the Egyptians you can, but the influence appears to be limited to “they both used columns,” just like every other Near-East civilization for thousands of years.

        As a general Classicist, though… are you familiar in any way with Greek mythology? What about Egyptian mythology? You ever noticed their total dissimilarity, especially given that Egypt, with its entire cosmology tied to the flood of the Nile, has zero relevance to the Ægean peninsula, given southern European agricultural practices? What about the lack of cognates between Egyptian Deities and their Greek so-called-counterparts? The intensely human, squabbling Greek deities are not very similar to their more distant Egyptian “cousins.” Most Egyptian gods are multi-facetted – represented in ways that are both animal, human, and purely abstract symbolism. The closest you come with Greek is Zeus taking the form of other animal to have sex with women – but no one ever suggested that the swan is somehow intrinsic to Zeus’ inherent divinity the way Horus and the Hawk were linked, or Thoth and the ibex. Animal-like traits in Greek mythology are always given to lesser creatures – satyrs, centaurs, et alia. Finally, very basic matter like cosmogony have no connection. Both creation myths begin with chaos – but then, so do Jewish, Babylonian, and Hindu cosmogonies, to name a few – but the emergence from chaos is highly distinct. On the simplest level, Egyptian cosmogony (at least in the Heliopolian tradition) begins with Atumic masturbation (other traditions have eternally existing gods, others bring in PTah as the originator and so on); Greek creation, in the Hesiodian tradition, has Gaia spawning ex nihlio, as if simply to provide something against with Chaos could be defined. And so on – Chaos in the greek sense is rather formless, an abstraction of mystery that the human mind cannot fathom; Egyptian chaos is water, a empty sea that begins to succeed at the first rising of the sun – again, the world is explicitly tied to the rise and fall of water, so essential to the Egyptian Worldview and so utterly irrelevant to the ancient Greeks. At its core being the Egyptian world is a disc, while the Greeks perceived it as a sphere – and so on, and on, and on, and on.

        If you’re going to invoke Art History 101, it might behoove you to actually attend class now and again. It would at least save you the embarrassment of woefully misunderstanding the fascinating culture singularity of the Egyptians.*

        *And no, just because Herodotus mused about similarities between Isis and Demeter doesn’t mean anything other than superficial similarities between mother goddesses, and was a rather early act European colonialism, so can we please not repeat his mistakes?

    8. PLEASE DON’T LISTEN TO MODERN NORTH AFRICANS. THEY DON’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT EHRI HERITAGE. MODERN EGYPTIANS ARE INVADERS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANCIENT EGYPT!!!!!! IF YOU WANT A CULTURE TO BE PROUD OF LOOK UP MESOPOTAMIA, BABYLON, AND ANCIENT PERSIA. EGYPTIANS WERE EAST AFRICA LIKE MODERN DAY SOMALIS, ETHIOPIANS, AND SUDANESE, THEY WERE ALL BLACK AFRICANS!!!!!! THERE WAS NO SAHARA DESERT 6000 YEARS AGO, NO BARRIER!!!! CLEARLY THE GREAT SPHINX OF GEZA, AND THE BUST OF AKHENATON ARE BLACK AFRICANS!!!! ALL THE MUMMIES HAVE BRAIDED AFRICAN HAIR, NOT STRAIGHT HAIR. NO ONE WANTS TO ADMIT THE EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK, BECAUSE IT UPSETS THIER WORLD VIEW, BUT IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!

    9. Quite the moron. White so called Arabs occupying KEMET are the result of Mohommad Ali’s conquest & all the other Asian invaders who couldn’t keep their filthy mitts up north. KEMET was, is, & always will be the eldest daughter of Aksum.

    10. “We Egyptians are not, and never have been, subsaharan African. ” I hate to be that person, but this is wrong.

      The people who exist in Egypt now are mostly a mix of ethnicities that derive more from folks found in the regions we Americans call the Middle East, but that’s due to colonization and migration. Ancient Egyptian peoples were indeed an ethnic mix that majority included what you call subsaharan African. It’s dumb to assume that the people living in Egypt now are the exact kind of people that were living there 5,000 years ago. That’s not even true for Europe. The denial of ancient Egyptians as Africans is racist.

    11. We know Egyptians today are not the Egyptians that created the pyramids, temples and ruins that adorn the Nile’s coast. We know the Persians and Europeans concurred the land and stole everything of value. Why else would Muslims who will kill if u disturb or disrespect their culture or ancient ancestors would allow the mummies of Egypt to be put on display in museums all around the world. Remember ancient Kemet/Egypt came thousands of years before Islam was even created and most of the text of the Quran is copied from the walls and temples of Egypt

      1. Iranians– to whom you give the anglocentric name “Persian”, which is the name by which ancient Greeks knew Iran but which in fact only denotes the region called Pars (in the language, the name has always been Iranian, recorded as Eran in Middle Persian or yr’n in Pahlavi on the tomb of Ardashir I at Naqshe Rostam)–are a Zoroastrian, not Islamic, culture. You betray racism and ignorance in your remarks. The North African invaders who swept into Eurasia brought Islamic by the sword, and to this day there is a great deal of venom in Iranian people for the decimation of the language, culture, and native people under the Arab caliphate.

        Educate yourself. The views of one black man on Afrocentrism and the insecurity this lie betrays: http://skepdic.com/afrocent.html

    12. THANK you. The worst part of Afrocentric ideology is when it does not celebrate all peoples, but seeks to self-empower by blithely appropriating another culture, language, and peoples’ accomplishment, paint it black, and call it their own. No, Egyptians aren’t white– but they aren’t black either. Black people, security and pride in your cultural heritage lies in celebrating what people of YOUR CULTURE did– not in racially appropriating another minority’s culture. If anything, this bespeaks to even more insecurity and race-card bullying. Mali, Ghana, the incredibly intelligent Lewis Latimer, Alexander Dumas, Toni Morrison– these places and people fall into the scope of great things in black culture. Ancient Egyptians do NOT– there are depictions of black people on pyramid walls. Sub-saharan Africans were well known, well acknowledged, and not considered Egyptian. Cleopatra was Greco-Persian (just 1/4 Persian) and the Ptolemies were not Egyptian. PLEASE, be proud of WHAT YOU AS A PEOPLE DID, or take a leaf from the Irish revolution, and celebrate the struggles and cultures of people all over the world, and raise yourself to the ranks of equality, not superiority, in claiming the justice of your causes.

      No, I’m not white.

      I’m American-Iranian, and also part of a marginalised and frequently attacked group of American citizens.

    13. I am not a big post modernist, but what of the insights of post modernism is that media, including the study and portrayal of history, is more about *us* (the people who made it in the era in which it was made) than the subjects of study. In effect, the claims one makes about Egypt are all about what you’re saying about yourself and your culture.

      We live in an era in which “mom white” (by which we mean non European) places and people are to be considered the rightful property of all other non whites (which are regarded as to range from a Spanish descend Cuban to an Iranian to an Arab to a subhead an African and others).

      The Egyptians didn’t look like Jamie Lannister. Nor did they look like Chadwick Boseman. BUT in this modern age, many say we need to consider the Egyptians to be “cultural property” of people like who look like Chadwick Boseman and defer to casting people like him in the same way we deferred to casting European American actors who were not middle Eastern either.

      Yes, it’s bullshit, but art never claims to be anything other than bullshit. The complaint is that the type of bullshit being presented here is no longer acceptable, because public norms demand another form of bullshit

      I am content to let them “have this” for the next few hundred years. Popular imagination is only tenuously tied to historical reality. People need their myths. And the public needs a different set of myths than what they used to have.

    14. I think the topic of race of the Ancient Egyptians is very intriguing. I don’t think 1 race/ethnicity can sum up the ancient Egyptians; they were a combination of Black Africans, West Asians (such as the Assyrians, Hyksos and Persians) and Greeks and Romans during later periods (i.e. Alexander the Great and Cleopatra). Ancient Egypt was multi-racial.

      What’s known is that the 25th Dynasty in ancient Egypt was ruled by the Black Kushites who built pyramids in modern day Sudan. Check out the PBS documentary “Rise of the Black Pharoahs.” See: http://www.pbs.org/program/rise-black-pharaohs/

      I highly recommend that you check out Legesse Allyn’s book on how the hieroglyphs are very similar linguistically to the languages spoken in Ethiopia and Eritrea. See: http://ancientgebts.org/

    15. I wish I could thumbs up this comment, because it’s very accurate, the only dispute is that it wasn’t completely non African since, Sudan and Egypt influenced each other back and forth. But Egypt is clearly separate from Sub Saharan Africa for the most part.

    16. Here is the thing about Hollywood ethnic revision. I typically defend it because getting stars is the number one way to be successful. But Egyptian mythology is very regional-specific material. It was a cool movie in spite of all the typical bad-movie characteristics because of the fantasy aspect. I still enjoyed it.

    1. I try never to see these fantastical/mythological type movies but after reading the review I feel almost compelled to see it because of it’s unintended campiness. I mean anytime a movie has scenes that take place on a flat earth it can’t be serious …right? However I will wait until Gods of Egypt appears on the so-called “History Channel” and that guy that used to be Egypt’s Minister of State for Antiquities Affairs, Zahi Hawass, Introduce the film and make other commentary in a desperate attempt to lend some gravitas to an otherwise ridiculous movie.

  2. I wish I was this sensitive that I couldn’t enjoy any mindless piece of media thrown my way. WE WUZ KANGS AND SHIET

  3. Agreed on everything except for the Cleopatra part. Sorry, but Cleopatra WAS white, and more specifically of Greek descent, since she came from the line of Ptolemeos, one of Alexander the Great generals who took over the southern part of his empire when it was divided in four after his death. All her depictions prove that. plus it is an historical fact.

    1. I’m currently studying Egyptian History and its gradually being recognised that Cleopatra was at the very least a quarter, more likely half, african. The DNA test of her half-sister Arsinoe shows that she was half Syrian (although their as yet unknown mothers may have been different, the consensus of brother-sister marriage meant that their genetic makeup would likely be similar) and Ptolemy Auletes (their father) was recorded as being the son of a Syrian mother – its just that early egyptologists were so racist they assumed that this knowledge was actually an insult and discounted it. All her depictions that were made during her lifetime or living memory of her lifetime actually show distinctly african facial features and thick hair, and the general depictions people use to show her as white were either made hundreds of years after her death or are more generalised depictions of female pharaohs as a concept than her specifically

    2. By white you mean what? Her complexion. Because white is not a nationality. Yes she loved Alexander who was Roman Greek or whatever. But she was Syrian. Perhaps she was multi racial as Egypt was, but not Queen of England, Elizabeth Taylor “white”. Come on man.

    3. Did not Alexander the great fall in love with Cleopatra? … How could she be a descendant of one of his generals? … And how could the queen of Egypt be Greek? Do you know how women were treated in ancient Greece? Do you know that the Pharaoh’s would often marry siblings and daughters and so on…. Just so they could maintain a pure blood line?
      So you think there was just one purely Greek woman that slipped in there….. In fact wouldn’t that mean that her parents were white and their parents…. I mean fell free to educate me because someone has clearly got it twisted.

      1. I am not qualified to contribute to the greater argument about the ethnic makeup of ancient Egypt, but I do feel the need to correct you: Cleopatra and Alexander were not contemporaries. He died in 323 B.C., while she was born in 69 B.C.. Is it possible that you meant Cesar? The two had a son together. Also, Cleopatra ruled an Egypt long past its prime, that would in the following century be incorporated in the Roman Empire. Hope I helped.

  4. Sir, I want you to know that today was a dreary day for me, and I wasn’t really feeling mentally alive. This “review” was like reading the stand-up comedy rap of my fucking heart and soul. I don’t know what this piece of writing is, but goddamnit I love it. I love you.

    This is the moment that I think I died, and perhaps was reborn.

    “So basically, he wants us to believe he took one for the team, to which I want to give him Will Smith Concussion face and yell “Tell de troof!” over and over until he cries with me. ”

    God. I will cry with you. We all fucking cry with you. This bullshit is absolutely insane. I want to fly to LA and just spend all my time shitting in the cars and houses of Hollywood directors and studio executives. I don’t know if that will help, but it’s honestly all I can think of doing with my skillset. But I don’t know that my bowels could produce the astronomical amounts of turdage necessary to bury this absolute trashfire.

    I sing blessings upon this review, this epic, this fucking _righteous_ ballad.

    Amen brother.
    August

  5. There is literally not one iota of evidence that the ancient egyptians were black. In fact, if you look at their art, its clear that they drew Nubians as black/extremely dark brown, and themselves as a reddish color. Genetic testing of the Dhoka Oasis mummies has indicated that egyptians are more or less the same group today (plus some sub saharan african immigration caused by islamic era slave importation) as they were back then. Cleopatra was most likely white, as she was descended from Ptomely, who was one of Alexander the Greats generals and therefore a Macadonian (a country north of greece).

    Put down the pitchfork, pick up a history book.

    1. Thank you. If I have to read anymore of this we wuz kings bullshit I’m gonna get a migraine. Of course there’s no way modern Egyptians would know more about their own history than black Americans. Lol riiiiiight.

  6. I think most of you never went to Egypt or even had history classes in school.
    Just because some rappers put in their videos that they were kings it doesn’t mean that it was real.
    Yes, Egypt is in Africa but Egyptians are not black.
    Cleopatra or better say Geleobatra wasn’t black. She was Greek.
    People go back to school and claim some other rain because that one is not yours…..
    AZ I am with you. Thank you for your comments.

  7. I only saw the trailer (because Madeyewlook made an Anubis transformation video) and I just kept groaning “are you fucking kidding me”.

  8. On account of all of this bitching over a shitty movie, I may buy five copies once it comes out on DVD to be spiteful.

    1. Look at you spending money because someone on the internet had a different opinion!You sure showed them!

  9. So many trolls! Anyway, I thought this was hilarious. I can’t be paid to watch this movie and I hope it tanks so badly that even thinking about it makes Liongate grimace.

    I never quite understood how people figured that people from an African country aren’t, you know, black. It’s like they’re so ‘smart’ they’re stupid. That’s like saying, well, Nanjing is in China, but you know, they weren’t actually Asian. Or yeah, Ecuador is in South America, but they’re not actually, you know, Hispanic.

    Smh.

    People keep pointing us to text books but why the freak would we take that as gospel? They’re just as whitewashed as this joke of a movie. Theses are the same textbooks that called the SLAVES workers from Africa, and diminish the horrors of slavery with every edition.

    There is no way those textbooks would say that ancient AFRICANS were black. No, that would be giving us credit that they’d rather give to someone–anyone else.

    1. Yeah you’re right. All Africans are black. What other insanely stupid, baseless stereotypes do you believe?

      1. Of course they’re not NOW, (this is me rolling my eyes at your obtuseness), but back then of course they’d have to be. Africa, blackness, is the cradle and source of life. Everyone who is a human being on this planet traces their ancestry to a black womb. Check your precious textbooks to see the truth in that.

        But please, don’t try to convince me that whites or anything lightish such as that is indigenous to Africa. Please. Just … don’t.

        So, not saying that I’m going to believe it, but please give me some hard facts to support your beliefs. I’m really curious as to what the powers that be are putting out there as “facts” these days.

      2. No not all of them but give me a break with that white people was there too shit please tell that to another sucka

      3. It’s a scientific FACT, as the mutation for pale skin happened OUTSIDE of the African continent. Science doesn’t care what you believe, keep that in mind. The first paleskinned people to enter Africa arrived in 1675 BCE. Prior to that, there were no so-called “whites” and/or “middle-eastern-looking” people in Africa.

    2. Ancient Egyptians are not black. Want to see the closest peoples related to the Ancient Egyptians today? Look at the Coptics.

      Do you understand population genetics? Do you know anything about North Africa and it’s proximity to the Mediterranean and West Asia/Middle East?

      Source for black Egypt? The Egyptian ruling class was Western Asian as evidenced by DNA tests from mummies from the late BC to early AD.

      1. Late BC?

        As said above:

        “It’s a scientific FACT, as the mutation for pale skin happened OUTSIDE of the African continent. Science doesn’t care what you believe, keep that in mind. The first paleskinned people to enter Africa arrived in 1675 BCE. Prior to that, there were no so-called “whites” and/or “middle-eastern-looking” people in Africa.”

  10. lols. This Movie is actual very accurate in its antropology. Proof: http://atlanteangardens.blogspot.ru/2015/11/beads-in-ancient-danish-graves-match.html
    their descendants:
    https://www.google.ru/search?q=amazahi&newwindow=1&biw=1599&bih=780&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2zqLmm5bLAhVoLZoKHTw1ACYQsAQIJg
    About the tan. Well, my friend, If you are not stupid enough, just think how cilmate changes. They had blooming gardens so the sun wasnt too hot. And about all the mountains and cliffs = yes its also close to the truth. Think, where did they take all stone for buildings.

  11. Egypt is northern Africa, not Sub-saharan Africa. They were never black, although it wouldn’t be right to call them white either. But it’s a lot closer to Greece than it is to Nigeria. Did you think there was some line where you cross into Africa and everybody is suddenly black?

    1. Norrie dear, your knowledge is off.

      When huemanity (purposefully spelled with an e) first began to migrate away from present day Turkey after the Flood of Noah…they were all Negroid. In case you’ve been asleep under a rock, society now recognizes that the first and only creation of God in the Garden of Eden was Adam, mankind or a hueman (man with color) being, and Adam was just as Negro (Nay-gro meaning Black) as the dust of the earth he was created from!

      The northern part of Africa was the first part of Africa to be inhabitated by the Negro creation after the Flood who were all descendants of Ham to be later known as Indigenous Africans. As the Arabs (Shem’s seed, but Negro) began to invade Libya and Egypt areas under the Muslim religion, they pushed Ham’s seed further south into Africa and over time mixed with the mutation of Japheth’s seed that produced albinos, the early version of today’s white caucasoid species. This is the reason why such people of today in the middle east and asia as well as the Americus Indians are now categorized as being Caucasoids. They have long since lost their Negro DNA, but yet can be proven to have come from a common ancestor…Noah; and if they have a common DNA genetic code with a Negro, then sweetheart don’t you understand that Negro DNA is dominate and caucasoid DNA is recessive? You can’t get a dominate from a recessive, life has to began with the dominate first, then mutation produces the recessive trait.

      As far as Nigeria goes, the shoreline of Nigeria was inhabitated by one of the migrating tribes of Israel from the ten northern tribes after they were scattered by the Babylonian Conquest. They became known as the Ibo people (E-boo, which is translated: Hebrew.) They were so black that they could not be separated by hue of skin from the other inhabitants of Nigeria. This is the first place where the European caucasoids captured Africans to sell them into slavery in the Americus…they were Black Negroid Hebrew Israelites and many of their African American children are the descendants of enslaved Black Jews!

  12. nigga wut? you realize its a dang ol movie. I think you pulling nigger trigger too quick brother. theres nothing about black people at all. infact you might have not even thought of this if it wasnt for that one black guy.
    this whole blacks are oppressed thing kind of starts to bug me now. those who are rich and famous bi**h about it the rest cry about it. get a hold of yourself. The more things like this are spoken the less likely that ANYONE is getting any “equal” around here. Make it better for others if not yourself.

    p.s. where would we find so many black actors? jumping around ,falling from buildings, riding space boats in space(duh obviously lol)

  13. Az, I think what you’re missing is that Egypt is to black people as the Aztecs are to Mexicans. No one’s actually related to them and they all know it, but feel like it’s part of their cultural history anyways.

  14. Now I have to go see this steaming pile of crap, just to spite you and your intellectually vapid opinions.

  15. Egypt is not black and never has been. The Middle East is not black, nor is Italy, nor anything else even remotely in that geographical area. Africa =/= black. Get over yourself you whiny, entitled child. Also, the goddamn actors who played in Egyptians in Stargate ARE EGYPTIAN. Your maddening lack of knowledge of the region is evident from the first few lines, but your goddamn arrogant entitlement is downright nauseating. Egypt is nothing at all like the rest of Africa. EGYPT IS NOT BLACK, you worthless sack of shit. Get over yourself. You’re embarrassing black folks with this post, not “helping”, oh human shit stain. Grow up.

    1. Egypt was also never white. You are fuming over points that tangent from the main point of this critique. Also quite frankly you seem quite entitled yourself insulting someone as a means to prove your point.

      The reference to Star-gate was speaking on a let down to a people that wanted or hoped for something they did not get. Not stating that the actors within were not from Egypt. Furthermore having actors from Egypt as main characters is not even something this movie , that is being critiqued,can claim.

      In america where this film was rendered, there is this very ignorant view that any great empire most definitely had to be lead and ruled by whites ( or saved). White being the term for anyone of European decent accepted into the standers of the time. With this American logic to be ruled by “Whites” means that all other peoples must have been spurned and treated terribly as in American Slavery. Its an projection unhealthy for all unlucky enough to live in its shadow. It creates a clash and makes foolish ideologies like if it is not black it must be white, or history of other cultures has to follow the standers of this country only. Making all that truly follow it sound nonsensical as if they live in a world of black and white instead of one in color.

      It also should be noted that “Black” is term that references a persons origins from Africa. Not their skin color as most if not all so called “Black peoples” are varying shades of brown. Its as inaccurate and silly as any other popular American ideology about race. So lets try to be clear.

      Egypt was not black or white it was Egyptian.

      The writer speaks on something that should be noted, that Egypt was an ethnic melting pot. Which Mr.Dan Shaw, Egypt was. It is in Africa has a long history of trade and movement farther and farther north its origins starting in Nubia. This is not hearsay this is actually from Egyptian lore. They as a people (Ancient Egyptians) take that area as their origin. Egypt has been invaded and conquered multiple times and thus by Persia and Nubia to name a few. It could be nothing but integrated and filled with peoples of varying brown skin colors. Black and White do not exist in Ancient Egypt because those are modern concepts. The same also goes for Middle eastern.

      Many if not most of the pale Europeans that are considered “pale white” today (as seen in the Gods of Egypt Movie) would not have had the ability or the time (maybe not even the care) to visit Egypt until ,Egypt’s major decent and later conquering by Rome. They were tribal at that time and were fighting among themselves and etc. Those in major contact with Ancient Egypt in its golden years were generally darker resembling people of the now middle east ,Persia and Asia (through the Silk trade). So its rather silly to make an argument for a movie that clearly ignores all of this.

      In short, Egypt is in Africa, connected to Eurasia through a land mass that allowed it to be a strong player in trade that went from Asia to the south of the African continent. It was a mixed area filled with peoples from those places and only became, more mixed as time when on. The only thing that has not changed about Egypt till now is that it is still very much an African country. So if you mean “Black” to be African or of African decent , I must inform you that you are incredibly wrong.

  16. As a student of archaeology and art history, I find myself in agreement with those reminding us that ancient Egyptians neither saw themselves as black, nor were they black in the way that Nubians (their neighbors and often subjects [with important exceptions!]) were/are black.
    But is that really the point?
    The point is, you have a bunch of white-as-swedes portraying Egyptian gods in a movie released in the U.S., where for many, being black is part of a shared experience that happens to you, whether you identify with an ethnicity/culture or not. Given the centuries of oppression that black folk have had to live with, why NOT take pride and identify with an ancient and important civilization that was not in any way White European. The important message there is that a whole civilization of brown-skinned peoples laid the groundwork for much of the learning and technology that allowed the Mesopotamian, Greek and Roman civilizations to flourish.

  17. So you’re telling a man born in Alexandria how to portray the myths told to him by his grandfather?!
    Then telling him that his film is as racist as Birth Of A Nation!

    It’s a bold move.

  18. The deities must be depicted as they were or not at all.These where not Caucasian in a time when they were still a fledgling race, that’s senseless. Afuraka was still an empire and one ruled by the ancestral people of Khemetic Afuraka. It is the historical equivalent of us taking Julius Caesar and depicting him as Afurukani, it doesn’t fit the demographic. While today Egypt is full of Asiatic/Arabic descents, they are offspring of nomadic Afurukani tribes, just as the Danish warrior mythology of the Fomorian came about. The film is not an outrage to our culture, but a misrepresentation and a gross one. But historically people of all colors have been present we just don’t know what to make of the diversity, so we assert one race as the superior when in reality the Gods of said time cared little about race, but that is nit to say they were unaware of their indigenous culture, merely they did not wear it on their sleeves, they kept it as a nicely tucked ace. At least that is what I feel

  19. I’m a white dude, and I would consider ancient Egyptians native African and therefore would qualify as “black” by many people’s standards. It’s historically ignorant to assume the indigenous inhabitants of the Sahara had to be Muslim Arabs like our current “North African” stereotypes (though I do believe modern Egyptians have a diverse heritage that includes both native and foreign elements). You might as well claim modern Latinos represent the indigenous inhabitants of Central and South America. And yes, Gods of Egypt looks stupid as fuck even without the miscasting.

  20. Recent DNA tests on the mummy of Ramses revealed sub Saharan African haplogroup. You can google it for yourselves. I read about it in a scientific journal a few years ago given to me by a colleague.

  21. There seems to be a denial of the fact that Egyptians were black, with people forgetting that black doesn’t need to be sub-saharan black, but comes in different shades-that doesn’t make it any less black and the fact that Egyptians are now mixed in the Arabs, is by no means an indicator that this is the way it has always been because the Arabs were not ALWAYS there. And even if they were’t racially black, they were most definitely not racially white, in the the way the media always sets out to present them. My blog post
    https://shardsofcontemplation.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/the-legacy-of-ancient-egypt/ disscusses this:

  22. The BLACK Person who tried to write this crap shit is defiantly a Fucking Raciest!! Blacks are the New Radicals of America!!

  23. The reason we have black history month is because africans have no history. Not once in recorded history have africans every created or invented anything. Not once did they invent the wheel. Farming, Fishing, Raising Livestock. Plumbing. Nothing, Africans when left to their own devices are incapable of getting beyond mud feces stick huts and takeing cow piss showers.

    Black lives do not matter and never will. Theres a reason we call you primates, its because you all look and act like wild savage retarded animals.

    1. Just to let you know Erectus Amongst Us. It’s Black people that you have to thank for living the life you have now. Black inventors and inventions have created what you call ‘Western society’ with all its components. From the wrench to the light bulb, traffic lights and let’s not forget components for pace makers and numerous other medical devices. http://blackinventor.com/ if these inventors “lives did not matter, being wild, lazy, retarded primates” you would no be able to even spew the ignorance that have just have in enjoying the comfort that you are enjoying whilst doing so. In fact we would all be living a much more basic existence. As for farming, fishing and raising livestock, obviously you have taken picked up a book because if you had you would know that the hunter gather who invented husbandry orginated on the African continent.

  24. Two of the greatest myths we still possess are the tale of Isis, Osiris and Horus–Egyptian, of course–and the Descent of Inanna, from the great civilization of Sumer (the region of today’s Syria and Iraq). These are stories full of drama, romance, family loyalty, magic, sex, everything a filmmaker could ask for. But, instead of beautifully-written and -designed (and appropriately cast!) versions of these and similar myths, we get utter crocodile dung like “Gods of Egypt”…

  25. How can you call Stargate 1994 a black nationalist movie? It had diverse cast. Don’t put your insanity on Stargate… It has nothing to do with your ’cause’. It has more relations with Star Wars, than your nonsense.

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